Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. If I have misunderstood I apologize. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. Its not an Old Testament Law vs New Testament issue. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. 39. Well I am a little confused. Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) ALL sins are forgivable, even homosexuality although it is a detestable sin in Gods eyes. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. I also KNOW the areas that Hes not pleased with as I choose to hold on to that which the Bible clearly states as sin. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. Some of these are very much right on the money. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. No, because thats not Gods will. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). 26. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. 23 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. I only hope that you will see it before too long. If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. Your happy mega churches do too. 19:13-15. I did learn a lot. Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. I wish you had broken up your last paragraph into multiple paragraph everything runs together. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. 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Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. This list reminded me of a few I forgot about, but one I dont think youve mentioned yet is If your teenage boys and girls have to be separate and swim in different pools or at different times when you are on a teen outing or camping trip lol. The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. Stil fit. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. Independent Fundamental Baptist 45. Baptists believe the Bible and strive to live according to its teaching. 2. 51. In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. BUT, there is good news! We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. They try there best to live for Christ and to give God the glory for everything. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. Amen! I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian 25. Such as??? Hmm, I cant think of a better word to describe the workings of the IFB! He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. We will never attain that on this side. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Do I believe he punishes no, because Ive gone without tithing and had no awareness of punishment, but when I do tithe I find blessing of increase in physical and spiritual goods. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. LOL. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. Duh Get your mind out of the gutter. If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. These are right on the money! We fellowship with sister churches of like precious faith and practice, and support missionaries sent forth by the authority of such churches. The two are completely unrelated. Assemble Anywhere KJV Churches 36. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. You are correct! 22. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. Independent Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. The lost in the world watch us Christians closer than we know. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. Wherever there are people, there is sin. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. Thats not unique to the IFB. Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. 2. I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: We believe that all the saved should live in such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Savior and Lord; and, that separation from all religius apostasy, all worldly and sinful pleasures, practices and associations is commanded of God (II Timothy 3:1-5; Romans 12:1, 2, 14:13; I John 2:15-17; II John 9-11; II Corinthians 6:14-7:1). N/A Haha, thanks for the confirmation! That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. 5. If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. For they dont practice what they teach. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. Some of these doctrines are as listed. (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. 50. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. 55. Heartland Baptist Bible College Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. (Psalm 12:6-7; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21), Each local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ. My jabs are defensive in nature. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. Its the inspired word of God. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. 1. is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. 38. (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. (II Corinthians 12:12; I Corinthians 13:8; Hebrews 2:3-4; Mark 16:17-20; I Corinthians 1:22, 14:21-22). Wow! 8. If you believe that going to (or sending your child to) a college thats not approved by the IFB (e.g., Bob Jones University, Pensacola Bible College, Baptist Bible College, Hyles Anderson College, Tennessee Temple University) will cause you (or your child) to become worldly or will provide an undue worldly influence on you (or your child), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 29. If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. 23. [8], The New IFB website states that it is not a denomination and that New IFB pastors have differing views over minor theological issues. Neither should control the other. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. If you believe that doing, saying, thinking, etc. When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! God works in mysterious ways. You can read more about it here: https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, I never said the IFB is a cult because some IFB churches may not be the best. He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. Only the KJV will be used in this group; 11. There isn't much out there on the web. Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. (Job 3:16; Psalm 51:5; 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1, 5; Jeremiah 1:5; 20:15-18; Luke 1:44), We believe that God has ordained and created all authority which consists of three basic institutions: (1) the home, (2) the church, and (3) the state. Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you.